Just got an email stating they’ll be closing for good - regulatory compliance reasons. I wonder if this will start happening across the board.

I’m back. After the whole ordeal with Science.bio, many of you suggested I try out Umbrella Labs.

Let me just say: This is probably the most frustrating, annoying, and unprofessional company I have ever dealt with. After trying them and science.bio I am on the verge of buying from every vendor on the list just to review them to death and filter out the scammers, just because I feel like this space is flooded with snake oil salesmen spitting in our faces and taking our money.

I ordered two products: N-Acetyl Selank Amidate and Bromantane. Before even getting into the actual quality, the shipping was a disaster. I specifically selected an expedited 2-3 day shipping method, but they used the slowest possible ground method available. It took nine days to get here. If there was any chance of that Selank nasal spray remaining effective or viable for testing, that went right out the window. I tried to communicate this to them through email and phone immediately, but I haven't heard back, and it's been about eight days of radio silence.

When the package finally did arrive, the Bromantane wasn't even in the box. They completely fucked me over and didn't even pack it. This doesn't actually surprise me, because the main companies stopped producing it. I guess I shouldn't have assumed Umbrella was using a Chinese reseller to restock.

As for the Selank, I wanted to test it, but I’m screwed on that front too. Because shipping took so long, I missed my window to access the lab equipment I needed, which I won’t have access to again for another month or two. Even if I could test it, the bottle leaked out in transit anyway. Between the leak and the nine-day shipping delay, any peptide in there has likely degraded to nothing.

In conclusion I want to say 99% of these sites are fake. Hell if you actually look closely at the third-party COAs on these sites, you'll notice red flags everywhere. The molecular weights are off, the names don't even match—like N-Acetyl Selank Amidate COAs just saying "N-Acetyl Selank"—or some sites are just reusing old ASI codes. It's honestly bullshit and none of us should have to deal with this.

EDIT: I just received an email saying that a new shipment is enroute. I'm assuming I will receive an email here shortly explaining what's going on but that's a good step in the right direction.

NOTE: **** If I receive another shipment, I will be testing the bromantane with FTIR and GC/MS as I have constant access to these methods of testing **** I will try to do the same with the Selank but that maybe difficult as I will have to store it for a month or two until I have access to HPLC again. Obviously since it's reconstituted this can lead to degradation issues and invalid results which wouldn't be fair to Umbrella.

Edit 2: They reached out to apologize for the missing bromantane and confirmed it will be included in my next shipment. However, there is a dispute regarding shipping; they claimed I selected ground shipping, which I’ve since refuted with photo evidence. I’m currently waiting for their response and will keep everyone posted.

Edit: package arrived with bromantane only. Working like crazy this week but will be testing here shortly.

EDIT: Scratch NootropicSource off the list as legit, I sent them $150 and they ignore 4 attempts to reach out to them to fix my order. SCAMMERS, if anyone from NS wants to dm me to fix this problem please f-ing do it because you guys look like total scammers at this point. Multiple emails and forms submitted on your site for weeks.

(USA based) Previously used to use sciencebio, absolutely awesome product. No smell, pure white, great focus and drive.

Bromantane:

cayman chem: nasal version just made me extremely angry

kimera: consensus on here seems to be that they are not reliable quality, despite praise on x

swisschems: bad smell, clumpy, strong off white color

Anyway, I dont see consensus anywhere on what legit sources are.. Thoughts?

EDIT: isnt it fucking ridiculous that the one legit company sciencebio got shutdown while these solvent shippers are left alone for longer?

EDIT2: just ordered from Nootropic source, will report efficacy

This posts serves as my attempt to judge the legitimacy of the company Umbrella Labs, a company that sells a lot of nootropics, peptides, and SARMS. I primarily just wanted to gather and condense all the scattered Reddit posts and comments about them into one place.

I have not purchased from them, this is just my investigation on the company, and I figured someone might appreciate the "research" I put in. Almost the entirety of this "research" has been viewing reddit threads, so take it with a grain of salt. 

This post has a multitude of positive comments on them, all from seemingly real accounts. But on the contrary this comment mentioned never receiving their product and being scammed, this comment mentioned the quality and dosing of the products being inconsistent, and this comment saying they believed the products to be entirely fake. 

 This post said they received their small orders, but their larger order never came, and they stopped responding to emails, claiming “selective scamming”. One reply stated that it was just that their shipping and customer service sucks, and that their product would eventually arrive. This reply stated a similar thing. 

This post said they ordered using zelle, got money pulled, but never received a confirmation email or any products, even though they observed about 80% positive comments on the vendor online.  This commenter said they experienced exactly the same. As most of the posts related to Umbrella Labs do, there were a multitude of seemingly legitimate commenters saying they had a positive experience, other than maybe that they took a long time to ship and customer service was poor. This commenter suggested that all the positive comments were paid shills. This commenter said they thought the product they received was fake. This commenter believes they selectively scam people. 

This comment on a different post said they had claimed 100% purity, which is of course impossible, though it seems they no longer claim that. This reply to that also brought up an excellent point; it is a bit suspicious that the company they get their COAs from, MZ Labs, is also in Arizona, where they are located. This commenter stated that they spent $800 with no results, claiming that they also have bots promoting them. Like on all the other posts, most of the rest of the comments were positive views on Umbrella.

This poster stated that the taste of the racetams he received was off, making them believe it was fake. This poster reported a similar experience. 

There are a multitude of other posts I have looked at, all with similar structure. The poster is asking if Umbrella Labs is legit, and the comments are all seemingly real people saying the company is legit, many of which clarifying that the shipping took a long time. (May 2025 post, June 2025 post, May 2025 post, 2022 post, May 2025 post, 2020 post, 2023 post, 2022 post, 2020 post) 

They also received an FDA warning letter:  https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/umbrella-612037-05182021  

Based on my research, I cannot come to a strict conclusion about the company, but I have a theory. 

I believe they have control of very legitimate looking reddit accounts, and are very smart about the comments they leave, saying things like “Umbrella is legitimate but takes a long time to ship and has poor customer service”, as well as commenting seemingly normal things on other posts to make people believe they are a real commenter. 

I also believe they do ship out a lot of products, though I also believe many are fake or subpar. 

While this might sound a bit out there, I believe if you qualify for some standard that they likely have some formula for (probably something that estimates whether or not you will return to buy more), they will take your money and ghost you. 

I believe this to be a very elaborate operation, using psychological and unethical tactics to make the most amount of money. 

Hopefully one day I will have the money to buy from companies like these and send the products to be tested to give better information. As of now, this is all I can do. If you have any other information on this subject, please reach out. 

TLDR; I don’t trust them, but don’t have any hard evidence. 

Edit:

This post instantly attracted a large volume of Umbrella Labs defenders who are pretending they aren’t affiliated, but are defending Umbrella with their lives. This pretty much seals in my opinion of them as scam artists.

It’s a good system, I have to admit. But I won’t be falling for it.

Only nootropic for me that consistently delivers even when used occasionally. In a post cosmic nootropics world where are you sourcing/going to source phenylpiracetam? Thanks for your thoughts

PSA: Moda Prime USA is no longer safe to order from.

Some of you may have already seen the email from ModaPrimeUSA, but for anyone who hasn't, they sent out a notice confirming they've lost control of their website. The site is still online, but the design has changed. Do not place orders, send money, or enter login information there.

I'm not telling anyone what to do, but personally, I would not order from them on any platform right now. We just don't know what all has been compromised here. All we know for certain is that the website is no longer under the owner's control. I'd sit this one out and order elsewhere until we have more information.

Right now I'm waiting on another response from the owner so I can get a few more details about what happened. Hopefully I'll have a full article published tomorrow.

ModafinilTalk.com

UPDATE (September 2026):

I've gotten a lot more information after speaking with both parties involved, so I wanted to give you guys an update on what actually happened.

Essentially, the owner of ModaPrimeUSA, Eric, had the brand taken from him by his shipper (G). That is when he sent out the mass email.

Shortly after I made this post, the domain went offline because Eric regained control of it. He does not plan on putting it back online, but that did cause G to move everything to the .org site.

I haven't seen reports of anyone having an issue yet, and a few people have said they are still receiving orders. But as far as whether G is legitimate or trustworthy, I can't make that claim at this point. It's only been a month and a half, so I'm giving it some time to see where things go from here.

Tried to keep this update short, but if anyone wants more details, check the post I made earlier.

I wanted to share my experience, I placed an order with them for the first time 2 months ago and Delt with Andy. Everything went well with no issues and then I went to place a larger order over $1500 worth and they shorted me 5 boxes worth $600. I reached out about the issues and was then blocked by the company.

I was then messaged by a subsidiary company called pioneer peptide I asked them who they were and how they got my info and they said it was from Qing li. I told them about my missing product and was blocked again.

I have since ordered from another company and it’s been over two weeks and they have not shipped my product . Seems like grey marker is getting les and les reliable.

This is the swisschems.com CS chat when I asked for a COA for 4'-DMA-DHF. I will be fair and say that the product I got was the right color, smell, and effect. But purity cannot be verified. They are only one of a handful of suppliers of 4'-DMA-DHF so I took a chance because of the price. The CS is obviously trained to deflect COA requests.

From their website:

Every compound we supply undergoes independent third-party HPLC testing and is verified to a purity standard of 99% or higher. We publish lab reports so researchers can confirm precisely what they are receiving — batch by batch.

Clearly, this is not the case.

Hey everyone,

First off, I want to apologize for the delay in getting this post up. It’s been a really rough week or so on my end, and I had a tough time getting access to our FTIR to analyze this sample.

That being said, I finally have the data on the Bromantane I ordered from Umbrella Labs. I’ve attached the spectral graph, but here is the breakdown of the initial findings:

• Visual Match: The initial analysis matches the reference standard for Bromantane almost to a T. As you can see in the graph, the sample tracks very closely with the library reference.

• Key Markers: We are seeing the expected characteristic peaks that confirm the substance's identity:

- ~2900 cm⁻¹: Distinct double peaks in the C-H stretching region.

- ~3400 cm⁻¹: A small but clear peak likely corresponding to the amine group.

- ~800 cm⁻¹ & ~550 cm⁻¹: Very sharp, distinct peaks in the fingerprint region that align perfectly with the standard.

• Purity & Hit Quality: The software assigned a Hit Quality of 847 to the sample. While the overlay is strong, there are a few minor peaks and baseline variances that suggest some impurities, likely a precursor(s) left over from synthesis. For reference in FTIR analysis, a score of 1000 is a perfect match. A score of 847 is a strong confirmation that the substance is indeed Bromantane, but it is not a "perfect" spectral match.

Overall Verdict:

The substance is more than likely Bromantane with a few impurities (SEE EDIT), though overall it appears likely to be very pure. I have sent the sample out for GC/MS testing to determine exactly what these specific impurities might be.

I have to say, even though Umbrella seems to have pretty subpar communication channels, I am extremely impressed that they are able to obtain this substance, and at such an apparently high purity. Well done on their part regarding the actual product.

As for the effects:

I will be trying it shortly after receiving the GC/MS results and will update this post (or make a new one) with my subjective experience regarding potency and effect.

GC/MS results should be posted in 2-3 weeks. Let me know if you guys have any questions.

EDIT: It should be noted that some impurities, even in small amounts, can be extremely harmful. We performed a spectral subtraction against the reference standard, and the residual peaks suggest the primary impurity is a bromo-precursor. See this comment for more details on possible adverse effects resulting from ingestion: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/1r6o4o9/comment/o5suyo3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

While Initial results do look quite nice, definitive testing and determination of possible precursor will have to be done to ensure a complete safety profile.

Is modaboost legit? I placed an order and got an auto-response after paying but haven’t heard a word since. It’s been a couple of days.

UPDATE I received my order shortly after this and have ordered again since- good experience overall! The communication after this has been prompt and clear and j got everything I ordered as promised. Overall, this will probably be the only US to US vendor I use now.

Basically the title, I’ve bought from euro-nootropics but I’ve seen a couple bad posts about them and honestly their rgpu-95 didn’t seem to do jack shit.

Thanks in advance

Any one have a good source for Bromantane that ships to Canada? hit me up with Indian pharmacies too or what have you

I've seen a couple of these posts in here, so I just wanted to add to the pile. I've been trying to contact Modawhale for the past 2 weeks with no answer. I've tried their website, Telegram and Reddit - nothing ( I even see that they read my Telegram messages...). I can only conclude this now officially a scam site - stay as far away as possible!!!

I want to try pehnibut for anxiety, is this legit?

They are a fraudulent company , warning don’t buy any product from them. I recently foolishly bought their memantine, going against what this sub warned , I learned the hard way that it was fake. First on their website they claim to be selling menantine hcl, which first off is prescription, this illegal. But let’s ignore this, I made a 10% solution of the memantine hcl, only to find the ph of the solution to be 8-9. This is impossible as all amine hcl salts are weakly acidic due to hcl being a stronger acid than nitrogen based compounds. But let’s ignore this first red flag, I took a melting point temp only to find the melting point lower at 75c which is far away from the 195-200c temp of real memantine hcl , Ik some of u will claim is the freebase, but it’s not because freebase memantine is a liquid but I recieved a solid, which would mean they were trying to pass it off as memantine hcl.WARNING DO NOT TRUST THESE fxxxts people

UPDATE so I went ahead and tested some sarms that I bought from them months ago, I may not know how much of their sarms is fake but I do know that their mk677 is fake, never made me hungry despite being a grenhlin agonsit. I went ahead and tested the melting point only to get 87 degrees. This is way lower from the 164-170 range

Looking for a legit dihexa source, if anyone has tried and got results from an eu source please share

Hey, I’m curious what anyone in d2d sales take? I don’t want anything like addy lol but I’ll take other things. I’m planning on taking brom daily, PPAP and NA-selank pre knocking. Would this be good?. What should I add or remove?

Been looking for a while and used to find m easy, but now I can only find Korvalol at Rupharma, anyone have an idea?

MODS NEED TO REPORT

I ordered 3 items, totalling in less than 10 grams from nootropic source on jan 23rd.
They have still not shipped it almost 2 weeks later, ive emailed them before i ordered and twice after ordering, zero response to any email.

One of the items i bought is 1g of enclomiphene which i need urgently, is there still any hope in getting my items? how are they still allowed to sell shit and not ship it for 10 days and ignore all emails?

why isnt their website completely blacklisted on this sub?

2026-2-17 update

I have received my items, took them almost a month from the original order date, but eventually i got my 3 items. Going forward im not sure if i will order from nootropicsource but i am happy i received my order. They arent a TOTAL scam, just very slow service and no customer service

I am searching a bromantane source that ships to the EU.

I ordered from Nootropics Source but it took over a month to ship and roughly 100€ for 10g seems a little high.

Hi everyone, Since there are almost no useful vendor-specific posts other then few comments like "yes I bought X from Y and good👍" I've decided to report on my experience with RUPhrama.

TLDR: good shipping time+prices, no customs problems, very good options, excellent customer service, ok payment method
9/10 (payment method need ID/telegram is shady)

- Site quality: Nothing too crazy, pretty lackluster.
- Options: everything, other then very niche and rare "non-industrial scale made"
- Prices: Better then everything I've found, considering the "options" are the real deal, not some homemade with a COA powder.
- Shipping: 30$ flat price, site says "3-4 weeks". reached me by the 15th day(including business days)
- Time from Payment to Shipped: cant say, Since I've made a mistake with the delivery address I entered (it was in my native language, they contacted me and asked for it in English)
- Payment method: DOES Require ID!!! it goes through "Moonpay" if you choose card. if you choose telegram stars, you might need to pay more depending on your country

how the package is declared: I wont say much, but its everything I hoped. you can ask them freely in the email

I'm sorry for my bad English, I didn't want to use AI to rewrite it more coherently

I AINT HEAR NO BUZZER YET

I only have one order coming and it’s from Cali, I haven’t ordered anything from Florida but according to this website that MIGHT be a decoy for tropichems something is coming and it’s coming soon, stay tuned