I’m dreaming of a Debian wiki like the one our folks over at Arch have.
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u/C0rn3j 2d ago
It's a public wiki, you can go ahead and start contributing
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u/Sure-Squirrel8384 2d ago
Yup. Exists, can always use volunteers:
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u/moeren86 1d ago
Forbidden
<p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>
wtf?
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u/Sure-Squirrel8384 20h ago
They have some sort of challenge cookie (Cloudflare or whatever). Try a different browser and/or disable Javascript-blockers, etc.
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u/diracwasright 1d ago edited 1d ago
Jeez... I love Debian, but everything Debian feels so outdated. Even the wiki layout looks like something from the Netscape days!
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u/moeren86 21h ago
I assume most Debian users do not need bling bling? Most stuff that is there is simple and functional, just like Debian. Also often on very old systems, Debian will be used (have it on my 17 year old netbook), browsing on old school websites is much more doable on these.
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u/diracwasright 19h ago
Honestly, even a lightweight site built with just HTML/CSS and the bare minimum of JavaScript could look way better. Debian has been my go-to distro since Woody, and at this point it's pretty much my world. It just doesn't have to be ugly.
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u/moeren86 18h ago
ugly is pretty subjective. But i will admit that is badly orginzed and hard to navigete
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u/memilanuk 2d ago
Will it get accepted, though?
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u/mglyptostroboides 2d ago
There is already a Debian wiki. I don't think OP was proposing making a brand-new unofficial wiki.
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u/memilanuk 2d ago
My point was that if they actually accepted input/help, it might not look like the disaster that it does.
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u/Blinkore 2d ago
I know nothing. So for basic commands I used Ubuntu wiki, on how to install Nvidia drivers I used Debian wiki, for advanced fuckery I looked at arch wiki. It's cool that you can use everything.
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u/DeepDayze 2d ago
The Arch Wiki is very well done and that's also a good reference guide for things in general with Linux.
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u/Symantech 2d ago
I didn't know Arch is x64 only. It's there any reason why?
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u/charles25565 2d ago
Because that's all that upstream Arch maintainers are willing to support.
There's projects like Arch Linux ARM, Arch Linux 32, and Arch Linux RISC-V though. Even ALHP for those wanting to transcend the baseline x86_64 architecture.
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u/Alternative-Sweet695 2d ago
Arch wiki has more information but Gentoo wiki is best.
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u/diracwasright 16h ago
It's probably not as popular because it's mostly Gentoo specific. It doesn't even come with systemd by default like most distros nowadays.
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u/Alternative-Sweet695 12h ago
Gentoo doesn't come with any default init system..You can easily use systemd on gentoo..
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u/diracwasright 8h ago
I didn't mean systemd is not supported. I just meant that OpenRC is Gentoo's "native and original" init system, to use the exact wording from the Gentoo Wiki, and that difference still comes through in the documentation.
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u/Charming_Professor53 1d ago
Arch's wiki is just way better maintained. Debian's just looks like a plain html page, and sometimes still contains out-of-date information. Ubuntu's wiki design also looks very outdated more to the like of a normal MediaWiki wiki.
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u/musiquededemain 17h ago
Debian's documentation is absolutely substandard especially compared to other distros and OSes. It's been like that for years. Unfortunately, Debian does NOT have any enforceable documentation standards nor is documentation considered a priority. Yes, there are man pages (but they are reference), there are policy guides, the Debian Administrator's Handbook was written by a developer but it's not owned so to speak. There is no canonical documentation. Part of this is also because Debian, as an organization, relies on upstream.
Finding documentation for this distro is like digital archeology. You'll find some info on mailing lists, a 10 year old blog, some random sites, maybe some Ubuntu docs that are relevant, etc. It's frustrating. As much as it's been my daily driver since 2006 and use it in my home lab, their lack of quality documentation is the reason why I've (mostly) switched to FreeBSD.
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u/jmtd [DD] 2d ago
Coincidentally we’re in the middle of a wiki migration (to media wiki). It’s a big project. I hope we can support really high quality content once we’re done.