1FE-LSD+4-PRO-MET (Metocin)

[u/DarkstarX-07]

I’m planning on tripping this weekend with a friend and we have 4x of 200ug 1FE-LSD (~80ug of LSD-25 for each 200ug tab) and 2x of 20mg Metocin. My friend was gonna take 1.5 tabs, 300ug of 1FE/120ug of 25, and I was gonna do 2.5 tabs, 500ug of 1FE/200ug of 25.

I’ve taken Metocin by itself before (20mg) and with 1FE (20mg+200ug 1FE) and I quite enjoyed it. But Im unsure how to dose the metocin on a higher dose of 1FE.

Should I take the tabs first then wait an hour then take 20mg of Metocin? Or should I take the 2.5 tabs with the 20mg metocin, enjoy the trip and peak and redose another 20mg after 6-8 hours?

I was also thinking about insufflating the Metocin as I can crush up the (half) pill and I think it’s always more fun to do with friends than just swallowing a pill lol

Any advice on how to dose 200ug of 1FE and 40mg of Metocin from noon to midnight would be appreciated

[u/Smooth-Importance615]

A 200ug tab of 1fe has about 120ug of lsd-25, not 80. Maybe you calculated the molar mass backwards (it's 60% lsd / 40% 1fe)

Redosing 6-8 hours later won't do much, as lsd causes tachyphylaxis (rapid tolerance onset) and they have a cross tolerance, so you better off with doing the 4-pro-met within the first hour after lsd.

Snorting 4-pro-met is less effective than the oral route, because it needs to be metabolised and the liver is perfect for that. Snorting a lot of binder material also reduces the contact at the muccus membranes.

So my advice would be to do the lsd, 4-pro-met after one hour due to cross tolerance, both orally, and then just enjoy the ride without redosing.

[u/DarkstarX-07 → u/Smooth-Importance615]

I definitely calculated the molar mass backwards, thanks for pointing that out😂 I’ve been taking 2x of 200ug 1FE thinking it’s 160ug of LSD-25, not 240ug lol

I completely forgot that the 4-pro has to be metabolized first obviously the liver would do that more effectively than insufflation, and I did not account for tachyphylaxis

I’ll do the 2.5 tabs first then wait an hour (or maybe until I feel the come up) then take the 4-pro. Should I do 20mg or 40mg?

Would the 2.5 tabs and the 20/40mg of Metocin cause an ego death? I just want to take a higher dose of 1FE/MET for the visuals but without the ego death. I’ve never had one yet but want to take a few more trips before doing so

Thanks for the advice!

[u/Smooth-Importance615 → u/DarkstarX-07]

I have no experience with this much of both, i have combined lsd and 4-pro-met, but in lower doses.

Generaly, while tripping with a friend, you have enough outside stimulation, to stay "here". I only experienced ego death once in a group setting and that was a high dosed multiple drug combo.

All others were in solo settings.

300-400ug of lsd is ego death territory for me, but as said, the setting plays a huge role too. Less stimulation of the senses promotes it, if you listen to music, watch something or hold a conversation with your friend, you are less likely to zone out.

Since metocin is less deep headspace wise, i guess the "danger" to get to ego death intensity is also less.

For me, 20mg would be plenty on top of 240ug, but it's known that the dose varies a lot per person when it comes to metocin. Some have intense experiences with just 10mg, some need 30 for a moderate trip.

So you are the best to judge the dose yourself.

[u/DarkstarX-07 → u/Smooth-Importance615]

I didn’t consider outside stimulation to keep me grounded rather than just staring at my ceiling doing nothing and zoning out😆 I will definitely have a good chill setting this weekend. I have read about that Metocin doses varies person to person and I’ve read online that 20mg of Met is about 150-200ug of LSD (as far as visuals, euphoria, etc.) but obviously that can vary person to person. Thanks again for the advice